Zoie Saunders may be a fresh face in Montpelier, but her appointment to lead Vermont鈥檚 Agency of Education has resurfaced old grievances surrounding the role of private school vouchers in the state鈥檚 educational landscape.
Her arrival comes at a moment of heightened anxiety about the future of Vermont鈥檚 schools, as district budgets fail at a rate not seen in well over a decade. And recent U.S. Supreme Court cases allowing religious schools to participate in the state鈥檚 voucher program have reignited old debates about the kind of oversight the state should impose on private schools that receive public money.
In this context, Saunders鈥� critics have homed in one part of her resume: her nearly seven-year stint as a high-ranking executive at Charter Schools USA, a privately held, for-profit charter school management company.
鈥淭here's been the specter of public education and making sure that we are doing what we can to bolster it and support it,鈥� said Senate President Pro Tem Phil Baruth. 鈥淚n light of all of that, you drop a nominee who seems to have very little experience in the public sector, mostly with charter schools. And I think it was predictable that there would be somewhat of a backlash to this nomination.鈥�
Saunders has said repeatedly that neither she nor Gov. Phil Scott, who nominated her to the post, have any interest in bringing charter schools to Vermont. And she鈥檚 generally side-stepped questions about which side she might take in Vermont鈥檚 decades-long public-private dispute, instead turning to the refrain that charter schools are defined as public schools in every state that she's worked in.
But that鈥檚 done little to mollify her critics 鈥� who include basically every major public school advocacy group in the state, including Vermont鈥檚 largest union, the Vermont-National Education Association.
House testimony sparks rebuttal
Saunders鈥� appointment is subject to confirmation in the Vermont Senate. On Wednesday of last week, the Senate Education Committee voted 3-2 to recommend Saunders鈥� be confirmed. But testimony held that same day in the House Education Committee most clearly underlined the public-private proxy war at play.
There, House lawmakers heard from Krista Huling, the former chair of the State Board of Education, who accused Scott鈥檚 office, in 2018, of in the last search for an education secretary.
The state board and the governor share power over the secretary鈥檚 selection. The board conducts the search and selects three finalists, and the governor makes the final call. Huling noted that Scott had in 2018 for candidates that had private sector experience, and claimed Scott鈥檚 chief of staff, Jason Gibbs, summoned her to his office after the board had selected its finalists to request that a person who had not applied be considered. She said she declined the request.
Huling also argued that Scott offers 鈥渘o vision鈥� for public education.
鈥淭o the public, Scott tells people to send a message to Montpelier by voting down budgets, but offers no fixes. I am convinced that he wants the system to collapse,鈥� she told lawmakers.
In an interview with 开云体育, Huling said Saunders鈥� appointment 鈥渂roke my heart.鈥�
鈥淥ur education system right now is at a tipping point. And she just doesn't have the skills or experience to step into the job and do what needs to be done,鈥� she said. 鈥淲hen I heard the appointment, it really just confirmed my worst fears about Scott and his education policy, that he truly is in favor of voucher systems.鈥�
Huling鈥檚 testimony so enraged the governor鈥檚 office that Gibbs on Friday sent a lengthy rebuttal of her testimony to the House committee 鈥� and appended a 68-page document compiling his correspondence with Huling in 2018.
According to Gibbs, the two did indeed have a meeting where he asked her if the board would consider re-opening its process. A current Agency of Education employee and several external prospects had contacted Scott鈥檚 office after missing the application window, Gibbs said, and had hoped to be considered. Huling 鈥渧ery reasonably鈥� said no, he recounted, and he did not press the matter.
鈥淭he discussion moved on. That鈥檚 it. There鈥檚 nothing unusual about this,鈥� he wrote to lawmakers.
Gibbs also noted that Huling had in 2019 to volunteer for former Education Secretary Rebecca Holcombe鈥檚 gubernatorial campaign. (Holcombe lost in the Democratic primary to Dave Zuckerman; Zuckerman lost to Scott in the general.)
鈥淎s you know, it is exceedingly rare for a Chief of Staff to weigh in on testimony 鈥� especially by someone with such a clear political agenda,鈥� Gibbs wrote. 鈥淚n this case, however, the statements made were so egregiously misleading I am compelled to respond.鈥�
Scott鈥檚 office also pointed to articles in the Vermont press from the time of Holcombe鈥檚 run, that Scott was pushing to expand vouchers statewide. The governor has long said he鈥檚 in favor of expanding choice where individual communities want it, but has never proposed a concrete plan to do so statewide. Dan French, his education secretary at the time, did float the idea 鈥� but Scott at the time made clear he wasn鈥檛 pursuing the matter.
Huling that her political agenda is simply a 鈥渟trong public education system.鈥� And her criticisms cross the partisan aisle. She told 开云体育 she鈥檚 reached out to lawmakers to express her dismay over the Saunders nomination and been told to 鈥渢rust the process.鈥� But she said she鈥檚 struggling to do that. When she was on the state board and the panel tried to enact new regulations on private schools, powerful Democrats in the Senate responded by threatening to strip the board of much of its authority.
鈥淚 found there was quite a close relationship between Senate (Education) leadership and with private schools,鈥� she said.
Familiar faces
The lawmakers who played a key role in the fights of yesteryear are once again major players. Baruth, who was chairperson of the Senate Education Committee at the time, now leads the Senate. And Bennington Sen. Brian Campion, a Democrat, who was a lead sponsor on the bill that would have gutted the state board, is now chair of the chamber鈥檚 education committee.
Campion sided with the Senate Education Committee鈥檚 two Republicans members to recommend Saunders last week. The other two Democrats 鈥� Sens. Martine Gulick and Nader Hashim 鈥� voted against her appointment.
Campion told 开云体育 his enthusiasm for Saunders has nothing to do with independent schools. Fears that Saunders might be more oriented toward school choice are 鈥渁bsolutely unfounded,鈥� he said. And he argued that there was little evidence the upper chamber worked to protect private schools.
鈥淚 can't think of any piece of legislation that the Senate has passed that would be considered pro-independent school,鈥� he said. The bill he had sponsored to curtail the state board鈥檚 authority was about giving the governor more authority over education, Campion said, which he believes would be more democratic, since members of the state board are not elected.
Just last year, the House that would have enacted new regulations on publicly-funded private schools. . The Bennington Democrat was for his role in torpedoing the legislation by public school advocates, and by those who support private school choice.
Baruth, for his part, does not dispute that the Senate has been a friend to independent schools 鈥� or at least friendlier to them than the Legislature鈥檚 lower chamber.
鈥淕oing back to the 15 years that I've been here, it has been true that the House has generally been more, you know, enthusiastic about trying to regulate and bring independent schools under the same rubric as the public schools,鈥� he said. But the point of such reforms has always been to cut independent schools off from public tuition dollars, Baruth said, which he does not support.
Baruth said he鈥檇 intervened when the state board attempted to aggressively regulate private schools during Huling鈥檚 tenure because he believed they鈥檇 overstepped. But he noted he鈥檇 later helped write compromise legislation, which , prohibiting independent schools who receive vouchers from discriminating against students with disabilities.
鈥淚 would say I am pro-public schools, I'm pro-private schools or independent schools and I'm pro-homeschools,鈥� he said. 鈥淚 have always thought that there are multiple ways that we deliver education in Vermont. And I think they're all to the good.鈥�
Baruth has said repeatedly that Democratic leadership in the Senate is not taking a position on whether Saunders should be confirmed or not, and on Friday said he had not yet decided how he would vote. The full Senate is scheduled to vote on Saunders鈥� confirmation this Tuesday.
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