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On a typical Thursday this past January, Cheri Bishop was standing at her kitchen sink, preparing a salad for lunch. Then she looked out her window, and noticed that brown water was pooling in her yard and around her home. It was coming on fast.
Cheri lives in Mountain Home Park, a mobile home community in Brattleboro about 4 miles from downtown. The park runs along the Whetstone Brook. While Cheri鈥檚 lot is across the park from the brook, her lot is the lowest in the area.
Cheri and her son鈥檚 two cars were parked in front of her house, and she could see that they were going to get flooded. So she grabbed the keys to one car and moved it above the water line. In her rush, she had forgotten the keys to the other car, so she had to head back to the house.
By now, the floodwaters had risen up to around 3 feet. There was ice and debris in the water, and who knows what else. Remember, this is January.
鈥淚 was just wading through water, and it was cold,鈥� she recalled. 鈥淢y feet were soaked. I didn鈥檛 have any boots that were enough for the water. It was over my boots.鈥�
Cheri got back to the house, grabbed the keys to the other car, and was able to move it just as the water was going over the doors.
The flood was caused by an ice jam. Temperatures in Brattleboro had , from , and up to had fallen. This had caused thick ice on the Whetstone Brook to melt, break up and hurtle downstream, where it eventually got stuck and created a dam.
The next day, crews and the water receded. But this presented a new problem. Cheri鈥檚 husband took pictures right after the flood that show her whole yard covered in a thick, dark sludge. In the pictures, the bottom portion of her mobile home 鈥� what鈥檚 called the skirting 鈥� is caked in mud.
When the weather warms up, her husband will hose out underneath the home to prevent mold and other health hazards.
Cheri grew up in Mountain Home Park, and has lived in this spot for 35 years. Over the last decade, she鈥檚 gotten a crash course in how to deal with flooding.
鈥淲e had our first flood, April Fools鈥� Day, I think it was, in 2005,鈥� she says. 鈥淎nd then in 2006, we got flooded again. And then we got Irene. And then it seems like since Irene, every time there鈥檚 a lot of water, we get flooded each time.鈥�
Cheri believes that flooding has gotten worse since Tropical Storm Irene hit in 2011.
鈥淭he rain is coming more our way, we鈥檙e getting more of the rain,鈥� she said.
According to the latest National Climate Assessment, average annual precipitation in Vermont has since the early 20th century. Extreme rainfall events are And ice jams like the one that flooded Mountain Home are also increasing, as Vermont gets less snow in the winter and more rain 鈥� that鈥檚 according to the .
All of this means more flooding for many Vermonters. This month on , VPR鈥檚 people-powered journalism project, we meet a few of them.
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Meet our question-asker
If you鈥檙e not familiar with how Brave Little State works, we answer questions about Vermont that have been submitted and voted on by you, our audience. Our winning question-asker this month is Jack Haskell, of Brattleboro. Jack asked us this question: "How is climate change affecting Vermont right now?"
Jack is a graduate student at the in Brattleboro, and he鈥檚 currently writing his graduate thesis on climate change education. (鈥淵ou guys are helping me to do my graduate school work. So, thank you,鈥� Jack joked.)
Jack already knows a lot about this topic. But the 鈥渞ight now鈥� portion of his question is critical: Jack said he wanted to avoid the more abstract predictions about climate change, about things like animal migration and shrinking ice caps.
鈥淚 think it would be good for people to hear how it's affecting people,鈥� he said.
Jack鈥檚 theory is that putting a human face to climate change will make people more likely to pay attention, and hopefully more likely to take action toward mitigating climate change. So to answer his question, we try to understand what is happening to people, right now.
Environmental justice in the anthropocene
We think Jack has a great angle here. Because we are actually living in an era where people have an outsized influence. It鈥檚 called the anthropocene, and it鈥檚 the name of the geological age we鈥檙e in.
鈥淚t is the so-called 鈥榓ge of humans.鈥� And it acknowledges the massive influence that human activities, human decisions, have in, at this point, determining the composition of the oceans, the composition of the atmosphere,鈥� says Dan Suarez, an assistant professor of environmental studies at Middlebury College.
Dan, who teaches a course at Middlebury called 鈥淓nvironmental Justice in the Anthropocene,鈥� says the anthropocene and climate change, which is caused by people, are closely linked: 鈥淐limate change is one of the most important and emblematic expressions of this notion of the anthropocene.鈥�
At the same time, Dan points out that conversations about climate change sometimes lack nuance about demographics 鈥� different groups of people. Like, you often hear that 鈥渨e鈥� are causing climate change. But 鈥渨e鈥� aren鈥檛 all experiencing the same thing.
鈥淪ome segments of that 鈥榳e鈥� are rather insulated, at least in the short term, from some of these fire and brimstone manifestations that are, again, going to grow more extreme as time goes on,鈥� Dan says. 鈥淎nd some folks are already experiencing them and are disproportionately impacted by them.鈥�
Our question-asker Jack is aware of this.
鈥淐limate change has the tendency to affect people living in poverty and communities of color more so than other groups,鈥� Jack says.
This is what鈥檚 known as environmental justice: the idea that some people are affected more than others by environmental hazards and catastrophes.
鈥淵ou think of disproportionate vulnerabilities to extreme weather events,鈥� Middlebury鈥檚 Dan Suarez says. 鈥淵ou think of what happened in Hurricane Katrina, [and] more recently in Puerto Rico, right? There are really uneven abilities to respond, and as climate change proceeds and gets more intense, these disparities are expected to worsen.鈥�
And Dan says this is not just happening in faraway places.
鈥淎t the same time that we can see this stuff playing out at a global level, these displacements of people ... that is also playing out in the U.S.,鈥� Dan says, 鈥渁nd I would suspect playing out in Vermont.鈥�
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Flood risk
鈥淲hat does climate change look like in Vermont right now? We鈥檙e getting a lot more water,鈥� says Lauren Oates, the state hazard mitigation officer with Vermont Emergency Management. 鈥淲hat you鈥檒l hear on the street called a 100-year event, or the 1% annual-chance flood, is actually occuring more like every one in 10 years.鈥�
Brave Little State met Lauren in the middle of Quechee Village 鈥� a spot that got hit hard by Tropical Storm Irene in 2011. If you lived in Vermont during Irene, it鈥檚 probably the first thing you think of when you hear the word flooding. If Irene was before your time, ; it caused more than $700 million in damage. But here鈥檚 the thing: There have been a lot of floods since then.
鈥淲ell, as far as FEMA [the Federal Emergency Management Agency] is concerned, a FEMA-declared disaster, we鈥檙e averaging two a year in Vermont [since Irene]鈥� Lauren says. 鈥淎 little more than half of which are flood-related. The other [are] snow, ice, wind.鈥�
Lauren鈥檚 office published the , subtitled 鈥淢aking Vermont safer and more resilient in the face of climate change and natural disasters.鈥� And according to that plan, the #1 and #2 most significant natural hazards in Vermont are both flooding. Two different kinds of flooding, called fluvial erosion and inundation flooding.
鈥淭he easiest way to understand it is, inundation is a vertical change in the water, so up and down, and fluvial erosion is a side-to-side movement where the river just charts a new course entirely,鈥� Lauren explains.
Meet the Lees
In central Vermont, in the town of Brandon, we meet Stacy and Michael Lee. They live on Newton Road, which cuts through an open field at the base of the Green Mountain National Forest. Also at home: two energetic labs and a golden retriever, and two Persian cats that belong to their daughter.
鈥淭hese guys have been through floods, they鈥檝e been through everything. They鈥檝e been carried out in little cat backpacks,鈥� Mike says.
鈥淭he last time we flooded, the dogs swam out, and we had the cats on our back in the backpacks,鈥� Stacy adds.
She says 鈥渢he last time we flooded鈥� because it鈥檚 happened more than once. The Neshobe River runs a few hundred feet behind the Lees鈥� white ranch. It flows down from Goshen, in the mountains, and in recent years it鈥檚 gotten destructive.
鈥淭he people that lived here prior to us never had a problem with the river. They used to maintain it and drudge it out and there was never an issue,鈥� Stacy says. 鈥淎nd when Tropical Storm Irene happened, it was pretty devastating.鈥�
Irene did more than $40,000 in damage to the Lees鈥� house, which their flood insurance paid. After all their repairs, they thought they were in good shape.
鈥淲hen we reset the furnace, we set it 18 inches higher than it was before,鈥� Mike says. 鈥淲hen we poured the floor, we poured provisions for sump pumps.鈥�
Fast-forward to July 1, 2017.
鈥淚t happened really quickly,鈥� Stacy recalls. 鈥淎nd like, the river was fine, and then all of a sudden it wasn鈥檛 fine.鈥�
鈥淎nd what happened was,鈥� Mike says, 鈥渋t shot across into the meadow across the road, and come down and hit this ridge here, and then hit us right in front door. So, yeah, it was all the way around us.鈥�
More than 3 inches of rain fell that weekend, onto soil that was already saturated from previous rain. This was a storm that hit , and , worse than Irene. But for Stacy and Mike it wasn鈥檛 as bad.
But if you鈥檝e been through Irene, 鈥渂ad鈥� is relative: The Lees had 18 inches of rain in their basement.
鈥淵eah, well, we had two 2-and-a-half-inch pumps going full time,鈥� Mike says. 鈥淚 think if it wasn鈥檛 for those pumps we would鈥檝e been right to the floorboards again. But we fought, you know, we fought. Everybody fights. I wouldn鈥檛 quite say we won, but I would say that鈥︹€� he trails off.
鈥淭he river has taught us a lot,鈥� Stacy says. 鈥淚t鈥檚 taught us a lot. It鈥檚 taught us how to survive.鈥�
鈥淚鈥檇 love to drive down this street and just not look at that river every day, and say, 鈥淥h, I hope they didn鈥檛 move [something upstream],鈥� or, 鈥業 hope that tree doesn鈥檛 fall in,鈥欌€� Mike says. 鈥淵ou know, it鈥檚 a way of thinking. It changed us I think.鈥�
It鈥檚 actually really hard to get the Lees to tell the story of the July 2017 storm, because they keep blending it with the story of Irene. It鈥檚 like their memories are water-damaged.
鈥淚t鈥檚 just, um, it鈥檚 draining,鈥� Stacy says. 鈥淚t鈥檚 absolutely draining, and you look back at your house and you鈥檙e like, everything that you鈥檝e worked so hard for, just seems so minute at the time. Because water just is taking over.鈥�
'Things are different now'
Stacy isn鈥檛 the only one feeling this way. Heavy precipitation events in the Northeast have increased. And such events have become even more frequent in Vermont since 2005, according to , Vermont鈥檚 state climatologist and a geography professor at the University of Vermont. She鈥檚 also the lead author of the of the , a Congressionally-mandated report on climate change.
Lesley-Ann said these stats hold true regardless of how you define an 鈥渆xtreme鈥� event, whether it be 1 inches or 4 inches (and she does caution against using the term 鈥渆xtreme precipitation events鈥� without defining each event).
Part of the increase in these extreme precipitation events is due to what the National Climate Assessment calls a 鈥�.鈥� Warmer air temperatures cause more evaporation, which means more water vapor in the atmosphere. This results in more frequent and intense precipitation.
In Vermont, there鈥檚 another reason for extreme weather events: Lesley-Ann says the state sits at the center of a 鈥渂ullseye鈥� of multiple storm systems.
鈥淲e get storm systems that either come up the Eastern seaboard, and dump on us,鈥� she said. 鈥淥r we get systems that backtrack across the Atlantic and then dump on us. We have the ones that come across the Canadian prairies and hit us. We have the ones that come up from Colorado and hit us, we have the ones that come from the Gulf and hit us.鈥�
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These extreme weather events can , according to the National Climate Assessment.
But there鈥檚 an important distinction that needs to be made between precipitation and flooding, according to Lesley-Ann: Precipitation can be a contributing factor to a flood, but it鈥檚 not always involved. Lesley-Ann said each flood is like a puzzle, with lots of different pieces making the water rise.
鈥淲hen the river overtops its banks and spills onto the flood plain, that鈥檚 one piece of the puzzle,鈥� she said.
However, many other puzzle pieces must be considered, including the type of soil, how much moisture is already in it, land use, water management and more. When all of these factors combine in certain critical ways, that鈥檚 when flooding is created to 鈥渁 disastrous effect,鈥� according to Lesley-Ann.
鈥淚 think what people tend to forget is flooding is a natural process, and it gets exacerbated by lots of development within flood plains and/or development in the headwaters,鈥� says Frank Magilligan, a professor of geography at Dartmouth College.
Frank is a fluvial geomorphologist 鈥� in layperson鈥檚 terms, an expert in flooding. He鈥檚 been studying them since graduate school.
Frank points out that more rain isn鈥檛 the only thing causing more intense floods. Our development patterns do, too 鈥� think of how many roads run along rivers and get washed out. And then there鈥檚 topography. There are characteristics of Vermont鈥檚 landscape that make us particularly vulnerable to flooding.
鈥淓specially along the eastern flank of the Green Mountains, most of the tributary systems along eastern Vermont tend to be very, what we would call 鈥榗onfined鈥� valleys,鈥� Frank says.
Narrow valleys, where there are also roads.
鈥淭he rivers have lost a lot of what I would call 鈥榓ccomodation space鈥� where they have the ability to move and store water,鈥� Frank says. 鈥淪o you already have very narrow valleys, you have roads along these river systems in general, and there鈥檚 really nowhere for the water to go except up and out of the river.鈥�
Frank, like many scientists (including Lesley-Ann, the state climatologist), is careful about over-attributing severe weather to climate change. How much is actually normal? There鈥檚 a new field of science that looks to answer this question; it鈥檚 called attribution science:
鈥淚t鈥檚 really trying to better nail down what percent or how much of a given storm can we attribute to climate change,鈥� Frank says.
That being said, Frank is well aware of our intensifying precipitation events 鈥� 鈥渢he extreme of the extremes.鈥�
Particularly a type of storm Frank calls a microburst: 鈥淭hese high-intensity, short-duration events.鈥�
The July 2017 storm that hit Mike and Stacy Lee? That was a microburst.
鈥淚n fact,鈥� Frank says, 鈥渁 lot of friends of mine in the science community would say they don鈥檛 like the term 鈥榯he new normal,鈥� because really what it is, it鈥檚 鈥榯he new abnormal.鈥欌€�
Frank studies how rivers respond to floods. But he inevitably observes how people respond, too.
鈥淧eople realize that things are different now,鈥� he says. 鈥淎nd people realize that the river seems to be flooding more often, or flooding at different times of the year 鈥� Especially in Vermont, a lot of these families have lived there for generations. They might not know the science of hydrology as well as I do, but they certainly know that river better than I do.鈥�
A catch-22 in Brattleboro
When it comes to who is most impacted by flooding in Vermont right now, proximity to water matters, and so does what kind of structure you live in. A found that 12% of mobile home parks are located in flood hazard areas 鈥� three times the share of single-family homes.
Mountain Home Park in Brattleboro, where we met Cheri Bishop earlier in the episode, is the largest mobile home park in the state. It鈥檚 part of a cooperative with two other mobile home parks nearby, which are collectively called Tri-Park Mobile Home Park. About 900 people, or 8% of Brattleboro residents, live in Tri-Park. Many residents have been here for decades.
Mountain Home Park was established in the 1950s, before flood maps existed. By the time FEMA developed, it was clear that many properties were built in flood hazard areas: both in 鈥渇lood plains鈥� 鈥� where water accumulates 鈥� and in 鈥渇loodways鈥� 鈥� places where water can flow at a pretty decent velocity. Many of the mobile homes in the latter area were swept completely away during Tropical Storm Irene. And many Mountain Home residents say that Irene seems to have made subsequent flooding worse.
Since our question-asker, Jack Haskell, lives in Brattleboro, he joined Brave Little State for some interviews at Mountain Home.
Jack was with us when we met Jeff Waite. Jeff鈥檚 home, like Cheri Bishop鈥檚, is one of more than 60 units in Tri-Park that are located in a flood hazard area. The Halladay Brook runs right through Jeff鈥檚 backyard.
Jeff鈥檚 property is picturesque, except for the piles of ice and dirt scattered across his lawn even now, two months after the ice jam flood that hit in January.
Jeff is semi-retired. When the ice jam flooding began, he was napping.
鈥淪omebody was knocking at the door, and I didn't know what was going on,鈥� he said. 鈥淪o I happened to come out and this was all water and ice, and they had a bucket loader here trying to get me out of here. And then I had to go get my three cats.鈥�
Jeff was out of his house for a week. But he鈥檚 grateful that it wasn鈥檛 worse; no water got in his house. He has flood insurance, and he鈥檚 gotten a few checks to replace the insulation that was damaged under his home. When it rains a lot, he keeps a close eye on the brook.
鈥淢y kids keep saying, 鈥楧ad, move, move, move, move,鈥欌€� Jeff says. But he鈥檚 been living here for more than 35 years, and the idea is daunting.
鈥淚鈥檓 ready to die, so I don鈥檛 want to do anything else,鈥� he said with a laugh. 鈥淚鈥檓 66 years old. And I still try to keep up what I can.鈥�
For now, he plans to stay.
Cheri Bishop, one of the mobile home park鈥檚 most long-standing residents, doesn鈥檛 want to leave either 鈥� but she feels like she may be forced to.
鈥淚 can鈥檛 keep going through this, emotionally,鈥� she said. 鈥淪o we鈥檙e looking into whatever鈥檚 out there right now.鈥�
Cheri was painting her living room baby blue when we visited, in an effort to make the home appealing to potential buyers. Despite her best efforts, she鈥檚 worried that nobody will want to purchase a home located in a flood plain.
鈥淚 can sell it on the lot, but what are you gonna get? When it鈥檚 being flooded on a regular basis, I don鈥檛 see that my house is still worth that much. Because nobody wants to pay that,鈥� she said.
This is a catch-22 for many Mountain Home Park residents living in flood hazard areas: Who will buy their properties? And where would they go?
Tri-Park management is working with city officials to come up with a 鈥渕aster plan鈥� to find people homes on dry land. Funding for these moves could potentially come from state and federal sources, according to Sue Fillion, Brattleboro鈥檚 planning director.
鈥淚t鈥檚 in everybody鈥檚 interest to work with some sense of urgency to relocate people to safer locations in the park or elsewhere,鈥� Sue said.
There鈥檚 no solid plan yet, but a deadline of August has been set.
There鈥檚 another critical issue that Tri-Park鈥檚 master plan must address: Since the parks are cooperatively owned, they rely on residents鈥� fees. If dozens of people leave, the financial viability of the entire park could be threatened.
鈥淲e鈥檙e realizing that if miraculously we could move all these people overnight, we would lose the income from that. And all the other people would be in danger of losing their homes because they wouldn鈥檛 be able to pay the overhead to keep the park alive,鈥� said Kay Curtis, Tri-Park鈥檚 board president.
Keeping the park viable for her neighbors is a major concern for Cheri Bishop. She鈥檚 relied on her neighbors over the years, she said, and her son and grandkids still live here.
鈥淚 don鈥檛 really want to start over,鈥� Cheri says. 鈥淚 want to finish up cleaning up my house, and stay here.鈥�
The town can鈥檛 force Cheri to move. But the waters might.
Buyouts & demolition
There is another option for Cheri and her neighbors in Mountain Home 鈥� though it would be complicated. To explain, we鈥檝e got to give some background.
Since Tropical Storm Irene, the state has been of flood-damaged and flood-prone structures, so they can be demolished. The funding comes from FEMA and U.S Department of Housing and Urban Development and the Vermont Housing & Conservation Board.
Brave Little State met the people who have been leading this effort, which is in the process of being more formally recognized as the statewide Buyout & Conservation Program: Lauren Oates, the state hazard mitigation officer with Vermont Emergency Management, and Kevin Geiger, the senior planner with the Two-Rivers Ottauquechee Regional Commission.
We鈥檙e standing in Quechee Village, next to the covered bridge, on the site of a buyout.
鈥淲e would literally be standing inside a building if that building was still here,鈥� Kevin says. 鈥淎nd now it鈥檚 kind of a multi-tiered park.鈥�
It鈥檚 the first day of spring, and snowmelt is running down a waterfall below us. This is where the Ottauquechee River runs through the village, and Kevin says that during Irene, the water here came up 30 feet. At the time, the building that was in this spot housed a real estate office.
Across the river from us are the sites of two other buyouts 鈥� two homes that were starting to slide down the steep bank.
鈥淎nd there were a few more in Hartford, actually, that we purchased,鈥� Lauren says. All told, she adds, 鈥渨e鈥檝e gotten 150 structures out of flood plains. But we鈥檝e got quite a ways to go still.鈥�
How many structures is 鈥渁 ways to go鈥�?
鈥淭here are literally thousands in the state,鈥� Kevin says. (Whether there's enough funding for that many buyouts is another question entirely.)
鈥淔EMA has changed the rules a little bit, which helps us do some things,鈥� Kevin says. 鈥淪o, now, if you are able to identify a structure that was, you know, teetering on the edge, you don鈥檛 have to lose all your mother鈥檚 antiques and everything. We can actually work with the town and buy it out ahead of time. Which makes it so much more pleasant.鈥�
Buyouts in mobile home parks, like Mountain Home in Brattleboro, get more complicated, because homeowners don鈥檛 typically own the land that their homes sit on 鈥� or the land is cooperatively owned, like it is at Mountain Home. But Lauren says that wouldn鈥檛 pre-empt a buyout. She and Kevin say they鈥檙e trying to be more proactive with the purchases, and they鈥檙e also looking to help towns acquire undeveloped lots, and conserve that empty land as flood plain.
They鈥檙e also aware that buyouts can have a negative impact, by diminishing in some communities.
鈥淪tockbridge, where I think 19 homes were bought out, most of them very small kind of A-frames, some of which were seasonal, some of which were permanent 鈥� that took a chunk of affordable housing off the market in that town that we don鈥檛 have an easy replacement for,鈥� Kevin says.
鈥淪o now that we鈥檙e in the post-Irene somewhat peacetime, but expecting again the next Irene, or worse, we do need to plan smarter,鈥� Lauren adds, 鈥渁nd figure out, like Kevin said, in the absence of flooding, affordable housing in Vermont is already an issue, and trying to make sure that we鈥檙e not making it worse.鈥�
This calm before the next big storm is a good time to think about those bigger questions. Because there will be a next big storm.
鈥淭he way I try to encapsulate that is I say, 鈥業rene wasn鈥檛 the movie, it was the trailer.鈥� You know, the movie鈥檚 still to come,鈥� Kevin warns. 鈥淎nd so it鈥檚 many more Irenes in the future, potentially on grander scales. So we need to be ready for that and get our minds around that.鈥�
And for people who have gotten their minds around it, either because they鈥檝e had flood damage since Irene or they know they鈥檙e likely to in the future, it鈥檚 a pretty heavy burden:
鈥淭he emotional, psychological component of flooding in Vermont cannot be understated,鈥� says Lauren. 鈥淚 mean, every spring there are people all across the state that are worried about snowmelt. 鈥� And those people need some sort of peace of mind. It is not a fun thing to live in a flood plain in Vermont.鈥�
'I wish there was a support group'
鈥淗onestly, I wish there was a support group. You know, people could get together and say, 鈥榊eah, I was where you were at, and there is hope.鈥� Because I think that the physical damage is almost nowhere near as bad as the mental damage,鈥� says Mike Lee, who we met earlier in Brandon, and who鈥檚 been flooded out twice.
鈥淭he feeling that, you know, I鈥檝e cracked all my teeth 鈥� just driving home, you feel your jaw tighten up, and it鈥檚 because you鈥檝e worked your whole life and all the sudden you don鈥檛 know where you鈥檙e at,鈥� he says.
Mike and his wife Stacy are among five families in Brandon who are in the middle of the buyout process. They made the decision roughly a week after the July 1 storm in 2017. It wasn鈥檛 an easy choice; they鈥檝e lived here for 24 years.
鈥淲e didn鈥檛 know whether to trust FEMA,鈥� Mike says. 鈥淵ou know, we鈥檙e Vermonters, we survive. We don鈥檛 usually get a helping hand.鈥�
Stacy adds, 鈥淥ne minute we鈥檙e happy to move forward and start a new life ... and then the next minute we鈥檙e crying our eyes out because, like, this has been our home. And so it鈥檚 a lot. It鈥檚 a lot.鈥�
The buyout process takes a long time. The Lees are more than two years in, and they鈥檙e just about to find out how much they can get for their one-story ranch.
鈥淚t鈥檚 tough to rip off a Band-Aid slow,鈥� Mike laments.
The appraisal will be a fair market value 鈥� it won鈥檛 take flooding into account 鈥� but Mike says he鈥檚 terrified the number will come in low.
鈥淲hen this house was up and going and we had no problems with the river, I felt like was on top of the world,鈥� he says. 鈥淲e both have careers, we work hard, and all of a sudden I became very vulnerable.鈥�
Mike and Stacy have their eye on a house in Pittsford. They both work in Rutland 鈥� Mike is a technician and Stacy is a registered nurse 鈥� and they wouldn鈥檛 mind the shorter commute.
鈥淚t definitely could be worse,鈥� Stacy says. 鈥淲e do have some money set aside if we absolutely need to use it. We鈥檙e gonna try not to do that.鈥�
With so much uncertainty, Stacy and Mike are trying hard to stay positive 鈥� and they say as hard as it is to leave Newton Road, they鈥檙e grateful that they鈥檝e got a path out. They say they鈥檙e more worried about some of their neighbors.
鈥淲e鈥檙e not a fancy street by any means,鈥� Mike says. 鈥淭here鈥檚 a number of homes up through here that are older mobile homes, and it works fine for these people. They鈥檝e done updates. But unfortunately they don鈥檛 list well. So, when you have something that works, and then you find out that it鈥檚 working but it has no value, and you have to go? I鈥檓 afraid for them.鈥�
The Lees have a lot of friends around here that they like to ride motorcycles with. Stacy says she wants to maintain those relationships. And Mike says he鈥檒l always have a relationship with this land, even if he can鈥檛 live here.
鈥淥h definitely. I can鈥檛 ...This is 24 years of my life here,鈥� he says. 鈥淚 hunt in my backyard, I fish in my backyard, this place is my friend. I don鈥檛 think I could stay away from my friend. 鈥� I said to [Stacy] the other day, I was horrified 鈥� all of a sudden I realized, what happens if we buy this next home and I鈥檓 there a week and all of a sudden I want to go home?鈥�
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